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I think it is hilarious when someone with really huge personal problems dies, mostly because of the reactions of certain people.... Let's talk about Amy Winehouse as an example.

Yes, I put up a video as a tribute. I do this because A) I like Amy Winehouse's music, and B) I have a lot of sympathy for broken people who can still create amazing music at the same time, probably because I'm a really broken person who still tries to create stuff, and I can't seem to make anything as cool as what she's done.

Does my putting up a tribute to her mean that I care more about her than anything else in the world? No, I would have to say most certainly not. Should I then feel bad that I posted about her, instead of, I dunno, issues in the world, or I dunno, the latest study on how global warming affects people's parenting skills? I don't think so.

But certain people seem to get really bent out of shape when other people pay any kind of attention to it when someone with negative personal issues dies, like it is somehow something we should celebrate instead. As a person with a few negative personal issues, that is sort of WHY I post a tribute, since I understand how hard it was for someone like Amy Winehouse to get through a simple day. I understand that eventually it was just too hard for her, and whatever happened probably did happen for that reason, and I don't feel like it's appropriate to just say "well she probably deserved it" just because her pain is now ended.

It's also not appropriate to try to take away the sympathy of others for that person by trying to imply that there are other more important things to talk about than the death of someone with negative personal issues. It's like trying to pretend the only people worth talking about are the people who don't have any of those issues. Turn to the person next to you and ask them if they never heard a story in their home town of a school teacher who turned out to have a terrible drinking or gambling problem, or a mayor with a mistress, or anyone with any kind of secret. Are you so clean that you can't look at Amy Winehouse and not see even the thin shade of something you yourself might have a problem with? She just had more than most people. She also made amazing music that I liked, and I will miss it. I'm sorry other people in the world die, but my journal isn't about the world, it's about me and what I like. You can get over yourself and read something else if you have a problem with that.

Thanks for listening.



Adiam Dymott- Pizza

Date: 2011-07-24 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pundigrion.livejournal.com
You know, I thought it was sheer coincidence that I had multiple videos of hers posted in one day until a couple hours later when I read a post comparing her lifespan to Hendrix's. D'oh!

I don't really know anything about her or her life, but if she was looking for peace, I hope she finds it. To those who get so bent out of shape over celebrities when there are more important things, if those more important things are so much more meaningful to you, then what the hell were you doing paying attention to the entertainment news anyhow?! It's pretty easy to skip, just ask me.

Date: 2011-07-24 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hippybngstockng.livejournal.com
Seriously! If I can spend my afternoons scrolling through posts about issues or things that are current which I have absolutely no objection to, but just don't share the same level of interest/squee about than people I know without throwing a big hissy about any of it, I don't understand why other people can't in turn take a deep breath and sigh about it to themselves like I do when they have to spend part of an afternoon scrolling through something about the death of someone they didn't like. I can't be bothered to whine about it so why do they waste time on it.... Makes me want to remember to whine the next time they post about something that annoys me, just so I can point out I find it annoying... But I have this crazy thing about not commenting about stuff if I just find it annoying because I don't care about it! That I have better things to do with my time! Like waste it on stuff I DO like!! :D If I spent time pointing out stuff I don't like, I would be out of time really fast.


Also, if they want to be reading about "important stuff", why are they reading LIVEJOURNAL in the first place, especially mine!!?? *dies laughing at that thought*

Date: 2011-07-24 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djinnthespazz.livejournal.com
"Also, if they want to be reading about "important stuff", why are they reading LIVEJOURNAL in the first place, especially mine!!?? *dies laughing at that thought*"

<3

Date: 2011-07-24 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pundigrion.livejournal.com
Haha, very true!

Sometimes I almost surprised that people don't scold me more for not talking about "the big issues" on my journal rather than blathering about chickens and clothing.

I feel the same way on commenting. Sometimes I want to comment on whiny posts with snarky comments, but really it ain't worth the bother and anytime I do give actual advise on such posts (when the post specifically requests it), it gets ignored anyhow. Fine, see if I bother spending time to formulate and type a response next time!

I ought to be embarrassed about how much of my news comes from LJ lol. Good thing I am not trying to pass myself off as a holier-than-thou do-gooder sort xD (I totally heard about MJ's death here and about the Casey Anthony trial here first too)

Date: 2011-07-24 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hippybngstockng.livejournal.com
Since we got rid of TV, it is indeed any of the social networking sites we read that are the first place we hear about most things. It makes life more fun sometimes, when you get the delivery through FARK or LJ which can at times be painfully non-sequitor-ish, especially if you have a tendency to filter your reading down to the minimalist point that I do. Imagine only getting your news through the eyes of, oh, just the knitters.... The whole world would revolve around sheep! :D

Date: 2011-07-24 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pundigrion.livejournal.com
And new spindle makers!

Actually I am a member of the Canadian Issues group on Rav in my attempts to learn more about this place I have moved to, but that still is only a small and odd subset of the news even then. I know lots more about the Wheat Board!

Date: 2011-07-24 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djinnthespazz.livejournal.com
I don't know much about her work. I need to listen to some of the videos that you and others in my networld have posted.

I always feel jolted by any tortured artist's death. Michael Jackson was my near contemporary, and I watched his struggles with a lot of sympathy/empathy.

Winehouse was more horrific in her extremes. I tended to shy violently away from her story, it was so full of pain.

I appreciate these tributes - I, like others, hope that these artists have found some peace.

Date: 2011-07-24 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hippybngstockng.livejournal.com
Defintely Winehouse is one of those lessons in how to NOT live your life. If anything I do understand why people would not want to celebrate how she was to the people in her life, since like most people with very serious substance abuse problems, she was probably no fun! Does this mean she should not get some credit for her music? Hells no. Like I said, she should get extra credit, since I don't have half her problems, and I can't seem to write more than a livejournal post in a week, if that.

Date: 2011-07-24 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djinnthespazz.livejournal.com
Once a week is still nice. We get 'see' you, wave 'hi', hear what you are thinking about. It's good.

Date: 2011-07-24 05:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] much-ado.livejournal.com
Thank you for this; it articulates my own feelings on the matter very well.

Date: 2011-07-24 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hippybngstockng.livejournal.com
You are most welcome.
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Date: 2011-07-24 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hippybngstockng.livejournal.com
I tend to agree with you, and try to have faith in humanity in the same kind of way, but I have also noticed an unfortunate tendency that "polite" society seems to have when it comes to the deaths of celebs with a particular flavour or problem. It is something that has been irking me since the days of Kurt Kobain. There is always someone else who died that we should feel more sorry for than the person whose music we loved, but most especially if that person liked drugs or alcohol too much, and then we should feel really really bad about ourselves, presumably for liking that person or their music in the first place, because other people are dead somewhere else. I don't feel less bad for those other people just because I feel bad for Amy Winehouse, but I am pretty sick of people who can't seem to get that, and the heat must be making me ranty enough I am sick of holding it in. It's just the hypocrisy of it, it burns me up inside.

Date: 2011-08-02 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmariewt.livejournal.com
Thank you so much for posting this! I posted on fb that it was a shame she couldn't get her life together because she was an incredible talent. Minutes later everyone was posting OHNOESSS!! WHO CARES LOOK AT NORWAY OHNOESSSS!!!! Really? Come on. So I responded to one person saying that's the beauty of a free country, I can post and say whatever the fuck I want. I don't get why people get so bent out of shape about what everyone else is doing. Must have an amazing life if that is the most upsetting thing in your day.

Date: 2011-08-03 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hippybngstockng.livejournal.com
When I witness these kinds of reactions, I find myself having thoughts like, "I think Norway is really not going to care, or hate me one bit for not posting about them, since I TRULY DOUBT they read my stupid facebook anyway..." I just deeply resent the implication that because you posted about SOMEONE YOU PERSONALLY LIKED who happened to be a person with problems who is now dead, instead of a world-scale tragic event involving people you don't know or have any relationship to in any way other than sharing a planet with them, on a SOCIAL NETWORKING SITE, that is NOT CNN or news based in any way, that you somehow failed to see the point? What point was that that I failed to see then? I'm still waiting to find out!!! Come on, tense people. Facebook is for posting shit about how the eggs went bad in your fridge and you didn't notice until you unfortunately went to make yourself a plate of fresh scrambled, and man are you sad now. Or you can't find enough gems to make gem salad... I seriously don't think Norway is really going to feel slighted that a few people who liked Amy Winehouse also happened to post about her that day.
Edited Date: 2011-08-03 11:37 am (UTC)

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